July 1, 2019

PH908 subclades migration

In the previous and multi-disciplinary article, "South Slavic origin and I2a-Dinaric South (PH908)", it was concluded that the main movement of the Slavs to Southeastern Europe was from an area in Eastern Europe, roughly Eastern Carpathians and Western Ukraine. In regard to genetic studies results that were primarily based on the frequency and variance of contemporary populations, this article will have a different approach.

Isofrequency contour map for haplogroup I2-CTS10228, see the full resolution

A map based on linguistic and archaeological data. It is also confirmed by historiographical, anthropological, and genetic data. For a high-quality map see Scribble Maps

Considering the conclusion that the haplogroup I-PH908 arrived in the Early Middle Ages from the North this post will be a synthesis of the countries of origin of the I-PH908 subclades found at the YFull YTree v9.02.00, Y-DNA Haplotree, and Y-haplogroup I2a Project (including a post and post from 26 January 2021) at FTDNA. The information will be used to make a simplified draft tree, approximately visually localize them North of Southeastern Europe, and presume the subclades movement to Southeastern Europe. However, it is emphasized that the information is based on a very limited and biased number of samples who made the NGS test and does not necessarily reflect the factual reality in accordance with scientific frequency and diversity due to sampling bias. If each PH908 individual in Eastern and Central Europe would have been tested, due to the old formation and TMRCA age of subclades and participation in the Early Slavic migrations, probably all of them are more or less scattered in both parts of Europe.

DYS561=15:

0) I-PH908*: Albania, "Czech Republic", "Germany", "Latvia", Poland, Russia, Serbia etc.

1) A356/Z16983*: "Hungary", "Poland", Albania, Serbia, United States
* Y110105*: Germany
** Y97246: Russian Federation/Finland
*** BY188785: Czech Republic, Poland
* A493*: Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, "Croatia", "Germany", "Greece", North Macedonia, "Montenegro", "Serbia", Slovakia, "Ukraine", USA
** Y6651/Y6652: Czech Republic
** Y55893: Montenegro
*** Y45843: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia
** BY169115: Italy, Serbia
** FT69508/FT69595: Croatia, Montenegro
** Y111673: Germany, Finland (?), USA
** A8740/A8741*: Germany, Poland, USA
*** Y59865: United States

Z16983
2) A5913/A5914*: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Hungary
* A22312*: Montenegro, Poland
** BY153567
*** BY154460/BY152858: Montenegro
*** Y132790: Bosnia and Herzegovina
*** FT65958
**** FT65952: Montenegro, "Yugoslavia"
* A16863: Finland, Russian Federation, Ukraine

A5913
3) Y32084
* Y140541: Greece
** BY227002: Bulgaria
* PH3310/A14301*: Ukraine
** A20333: Kosovo, Ukraine
*** FT14649: Serbia
**** S10860: Bosnia and Herzegovina
** PH1012/PH3314: Serbia

Y32084
4) Y84307:
*BY87256/Y93273*5+SNPs: Croatia
*FTA65128: Serbia, Turkey

5) FT168731/FT169458/FT191198*: Poland
* FT168415*10+SNPs: Tatarstan

FT168731
6) BY198275
* FT162921: Czech Republic, Poland
* P41.2&M359.2/BY200456: Bosnia and Herzegovina // Istanbul, Turkey (Cinnioglu et al. 2004), Bosnia and Croatia (Battaglia et al. 2009), Bulgaria and Romania (Martinez-Cruz et al. 2012)

BY198275
7) FT275645/Y200082*6+SNPs: Croatia, Serbia

8) BY93199: Montenegro

9) FT277965: North Macedonia
* YP206: Sardinia (Francalacci et al. 2013)

10) Y178551: Greece [Macedonian] (DYS561=n/a)

11) Y93865: Bulgaria, Greece (DYS561=n/a)

DYS561=16

0) I-PH908*: Bulgaria, Montenegro, Germany, "Poland", "Ukraine", Serbia etc.

1) FT16449*: "Bosnia and Herzegovina", Bulgaria, Russian Federation
* Y126296: Ukraine/Poland
** FT19919: Bosnia and Herzegovina
** Y81557: Serbia
*** BY57773: Serbia
**** Y189253/FT240062
***** FT354262: Croatia, Italy (Albania)
**** Y103938: Bosnia and Herzegovina
***** Y99196: Croatia
* FT36524: Belarus, Russian Federation
* MF2888: Croatia, Germany, Montenegro
* BY173300
** BY67102: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia
* FT138628: Bulgaria, Serbia
* Y109702: Czech Republic
** Y99608: Germany, Poland
* Y151633
** FT33812: United States (Croatia), Croatia
** BY169079: Bosnia and Herzegovina
*** BY171718: Croatia
**** Y144303
***** Y144305: Austria, Croatia
***** A22770/BY170155: Croatia
* BY97555//Y51673: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Slovakia
* FGC44297/FT166563: Bulgaria
* Y57291/Y46636: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia

FT16449

Y51673

2) FT14506*: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Hungary, Serbia
A13912: Bulgaria
** A13907/Y30729/BY37511: Croatia, "Hungary"
*** BY106777: Croatia
* FT177529: Poland
** FT176058: Russian Federation
*** FT260408: Poland (Galicia)
**** FT261843: Poland
***** FT259981: Poland
* BY135769/BY14506: Poland (Galicia), Russian Federation
* FT41224: Bulgaria
** Y52621: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Moldova
*** FT190799: Montenegro, Serbia
** BY191170/BY191770: Croatia
*** FT271768: Italy, "Serbia"
*** BY189804: Bulgaria
**** BY189748: "Serbia"
***** BY190900: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Ukraine
* Y56203*: Poland (Galicia)
** FT25907: Bosnia and Herzegovina
** Y134603/Y134578: Montenegro, Serbia
* BY186407: Bulgaria, Montenegro

FT14506

When all the maps are merged it indicates that there's a higher variance of I-PH908 subclades in Eastern Europe than in Central Europe and that from Eastern Europe migrated in the direction of West and South. Most if not all subclades arrived in Southeastern Europe from Eastern Europe, roughly along the area of Eastern Carpathian Mountains and through Carpathian Basin, most probably during the period of Pannonian Avars and revolts against them by Slavs and Bulgars by the mid-7th century. It is not excluded a possibility of a very small Polabian Slavic contribution (only for some subclades of Z16983 and FT16449). The samples belonging to currently unknown subclades are also largely from the countries in Eastern Europe, while in Southeastern Europe particularly Bulgaria, which also indicates the movement's direction. The result overwhelmingly supports the conclusions from the previous post.

A merged map with arrows of migration and subclades list

Presumed movement of the Slavs along the edges of Carpathians, and through Moravian Gate in the West, considering geographical relief but assuming it was only through lowlands and excluding all mountain passes (e.g. Verecke Pass)

Presumed movement of the Slavs along the edges of Carpathians, and through Moravian Gate in the West, considering geographical relief, but assuming it was both through lowlands and mountain passes

"" - Mean the sample is confirmed based on Y-STR and single SNP test results
// - Mean the listed samples after // are confirmed in scientific studies
* The post will be updated every couple of months with the development of the Y-Tree (27.01.2021.).

6 comments:

  1. Hi,

    How can you explain the presence of a typical Slavic subclade I-S17250 in a Tosk Albanian(southern Albanian) ?? Thanks.

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    1. Hi, the frequency of haplogroup I2 among the Albanians is not lower than 10% and the majority of it in the whole region of Balkans belongs to two major subclades I-Y3120 > I-S17250 or I-Y3120 > Z17855. The presence is explained by the medieval migration of the Slavs who migrated even to more Southern regions like of Greece, even to Anatolia, and later interactions between the Slavic and Albanian populations.

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  2. "0) I-PH908*: "Czech Republic", "Germany", "Latvia", Poland, Russia etc."
    Would you be so kind to tell us if these people were confirmed to be I-PH908*, and where can we find their surnames?

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    1. Hi, those samples are confirmed to be I-PH908* by Y-STR marker results or Y-SNP tests. The surnames can be found in the publicly available DNA results table of I2a Y-Haplogroup Project at FTDNA, or other projects like of Serbian DNA Project, or Bošnjački DNK Projekat and so on.

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  3. Hi,
    I am from Poland and I have haplogroup I-FT168731 (tested by FTDN).

    I see that at your map the same haplogroup have two persons from Russia (Tatarstan) - probably their ancestors were deported deep into Russia during the Russian occupation of the Polish-Lituanian Union in the 18th century..

    Could you please add me (as one person from "Poland, Masovian distric) to this map?


    Thank you and regard,
    Robert.

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    1. Hi, will do these days, although am still waiting for the new draft tree by Y-haplogroup I2a Project. Regards.

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